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Joyce Carpenter
Joined: 11 Jul 2017 Posts: 9
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:12 am |
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Tango Totoro wrote: |
She is voting to reject this, so I believe this team is bad for the spies somehow. |
Wait? When did I say I would reject this??? Read my post again! >.> _________________ It is okay to have lived life and then to die. However, many people have died before having even lived. It is sad really. |
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Nickyh Smith
Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 933 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:32 am |
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I'll chime in. I am voting reject, because of 2 reasons:
1. I suspect Globox is a spy because of his vote to approve the first mission. Therefore, his team cannot be trusted, but those he picked are unlikely to be spies.
2. If he is actually innocent, then his choice of semi-random members is statistically very likely to contain a spy.
Funnily enough, while Jurgen and Tango argue against each other, both use statistics at one point or another to support themselves. I'm still unsure whose side to take, and honestly, it's not impossible both are civvies/spies! _________________
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Tango Totoro
Quizaboom Team Member
Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 1277
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:13 am |
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Joyce Carpenter wrote: |
Tango Totoro wrote: |
She is voting to reject this, so I believe this team is bad for the spies somehow. |
Wait? When did I say I would reject this??? Read my post again! >.> |
Whoooops I cannot read. My bad. Still gonna vote to approve cause Jurgen Marshall and Katz are quite suspicious to me.
Nickyh Smith wrote: |
Funnily enough, while Jurgen and Tango argue against each other, both use statistics at one point or another to support themselves. I'm still unsure whose side to take, and honestly, it's not impossible both are civvies/spies! |
Heh, Jurgen and I always suspect each other in mafia games and it almost never works out, haha. But I have to go with my readings of people at some point. _________________
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Marshall Brancacane
Joined: 22 Jul 2010 Posts: 105 Location: England
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:10 am |
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I voted to reject this team after reading Jurgen's post when he made it yesterday. Just finding the time to put my take on things.
I agree with what Jurgen says, that probability suggests the team is way more likely to fail than it is to success. The difference between Jurgen's numbers and Tango's numbers is that it felt to me that Jurgen was basing his numbers off of something, instead of Tango basing something off of his numbers. (Sorry if that's a little confusing.)
Frankly, I don't care for the numbers. I feel that they're a nuisance in the game because it kind of objects to playing as a person. As if that person is a robot; you can't then find out about their personality to state your suspicion because, well, they don't have any personality. Sure, the numbers can be helpful but I'd suggest using them a little less. Everything seems negative with them around and I doubt the town(non-spies? whatever we're calling them) are going to have much morale about winning with that around. People should be sure of themselves and learn to trust others, not numbers and then have no trust in anything because of it.
I can see why Tango sees me as suspicious, I guess probably the way I have played so far is. But that's really just because at first I didn't know what I was doing (still don't, not really), and that I've been very busy in real to have a lot of time for other things. I'm still trying to put the effort in, nevertheless.
However, though, I don't agree with the suspicion on Globox. Or at least I don't suspect him. He chose to choose a team of people who hadn't already been on a mission, but that's what other people were doing, too and on the first teams to be chosen I think this is a good idea to see where peoples credibility's lie. But, that's probably the first two teams in my opinion.
Furthermore, it may be worth pointing out that I really doubt that Knyh would place all of the spies on one side of the list. They're going to be spread out. |
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Jurgen Smith
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Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 547 Location: 19th Century Ganymede
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:18 am |
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Marshall Brancacane wrote: |
Frankly, I don't care for the numbers. I feel that they're a nuisance in the game because it kind of objects to playing as a person. |
I mean, I did it because when it's a pure random chance vote, then it seems appropriate to look at the odds. As I've stated more often than not, for most of this game, the odds are going to be against us, so we can't play it that way. I was just using the number to reinforce that point.
Marshall Brancacane wrote: |
Furthermore, it may be worth pointing out that I really doubt that Knyh would place all of the spies on one side of the list. They're going to be spread out. |
Which list are you referring to? |
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Knyh Risotto
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Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 2358 Location: BACKWARDS
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:29 am |
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Roles and the Mission Leader order were both randomised I did not change anything about them. There is therefore equal chance of spies being spread out or in a group on that list. There should not be anything to go on from that. _________________
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Takeoshi Totoro
Warbears Mockup Master
Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 2172
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:26 pm |
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I agree with Jurgen, I am voting reject on this mission too.
I pick my mission next so that also factors into my decision. |
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Rojoco Anderson
Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 481 Location: England, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:56 pm |
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Marshall Brancacane wrote: |
Sure, the numbers can be helpful but I'd suggest using them a little less. Everything seems negative with them around and I doubt the town(non-spies? whatever we're calling them) are going to have much morale about winning with that around. People should be sure of themselves and learn to trust others, not numbers and then have no trust in anything because of it. |
When you refer to the "non-spies" as "them" and not "us" it makes you sound like a spy. |
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Knyh Risotto
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Joined: 05 Jan 2008 Posts: 2358 Location: BACKWARDS
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:30 pm |
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Globox acted quickly choosing a team. Obviously choosing himself, he also picked three randomly who had yet to be on a mission. This lead to immediate backlash and Math Corner brought out a new book "Seven Reasons Why Statistically This Is Dumb", followed by a hundred revisions to the book to make it less dumb because nobody really understands statistics fully, right? Anyway, the vote came and the team got soundly rejected. Some scrubs didn't vote (probably because nobody poked them to make sure they were awake) so the rest of the group took their votes as a rejection. THE REJECTION COUNTER HAS INCREASED TO TWO
Votes:
Tango Totoro - approve
Rojoco Anderson - reject
Globox Simpson - DID NOT VOTE - reject
Takeoshi Thestreamer - reject
Marshall Branflakes - reject
Jurgen Smith - reject
Katz Giffuri - DID NOT VOTE - reject
Joyce Carpenter - approve
Nickyh Smith - reject
Ninjabear Simpson - reject
Gamecard:
(Ruined Bar kindly donated by Rojoco, Avatars acquired by Marshall <3)
Your mission leader is Takeoshi Theboyo. They must select FOUR people for this mission. The deadline for selection is Tuesday 20th February, 23:59 GMT.
casual reminder you can discuss your proposed team before confirming them as your selection and you probably want to do that at some point before the rejection counter hits five.... _________________
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Nickyh Smith
Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 933 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:38 pm |
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So, since random chance isn't a good enough reason, Takeoshi, as our latest team leader, who are you considering to take on the team, and why? _________________
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When will Lolbear learn? |
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Takeoshi Totoro
Warbears Mockup Master
Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Posts: 2172
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:07 pm |
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Nickyh Smith wrote: |
So, since random chance isn't a good enough reason, Takeoshi, as our latest team leader, who are you considering to take on the team, and why? |
Hard to know really, I’ve been away for the past week so I need to read over the thread and work out who seems more trustworthy and less trustworthy. At the very least I’m picking myself. |
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Ninjabear Simpson
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Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 1388 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:24 pm |
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I suspect Tango a little more. |
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Joyce Carpenter
Joined: 11 Jul 2017 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:50 am |
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Knyh Risotto wrote: |
casual reminder you can discuss your proposed team before confirming them as your selection and you probably want to do that at some point before the rejection counter hits five.... |
Well, yeah, let's not have the counter go there XD
Ninjabear Simpson wrote: |
I suspect Tango a little more. |
On what grounds really? _________________ It is okay to have lived life and then to die. However, many people have died before having even lived. It is sad really. |
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Ninjabear Simpson
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Joined: 06 Apr 2008 Posts: 1388 Location: France
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:22 pm |
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He approved the mission. |
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Joyce Carpenter
Joined: 11 Jul 2017 Posts: 9
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:12 am |
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Ninjabear Simpson wrote: |
He approved the mission. |
Then why not me? I approved the mission too. Why do you suspect Tango and not myself then? Am I not a likely spy then?
It feels to me like you're trying to pin suspicion on someone without trying to justify it.
I have a really strong suspicion that you are indeed the spy who sabotaged Mission 1 earlier in the game, unless you can justify yourself and your actions.
Ninjabear Simpson wrote: |
I think that if a spy is a team leader, they would choose only innocent people so that they are sure to have only one sabotage vote. Does this mean Tango is a spy? Well, I don't know. |
Even earlier during the mission, you were trying to hint at Tango being the spy, without much justification. Being the team leader doesn't mean that he is a spy (or not for the matter).
This game is about deduction and reasoning, and I am not convinced by the reasons or statements you have given. I might be wrong.
If no one is really discussing this or talking, then we've very little to go on.
And if no one is talking, then failure is an almost certain outcome. _________________ It is okay to have lived life and then to die. However, many people have died before having even lived. It is sad really. |
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